Are Short Men Worth Dating?
Total randomness, I know, but, I just stumbled across Maxim magazine’s list of the 25 greatest short dudes of all time in an article cleverly titled “Living Large.” I’ve dated black men, white dudes, Latinos, guys from Europe, etc. etc. But, I’ve never dated anyone shorter than I am. Ever. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not a short people hater. I just prefer tall men. Long, strong arms to hug me & skyscraper legs that wrap around my body in bed? Yes, give me more. The closer to 6′ or higher, the better. I guess I’m a single little brown chick looking for a progressive, childfree, single, multi-lingual, attractive, muscular, wickedly smart, foreign dude … who’s also nearly 6′ tall or higher. And, he can’t be an atheist. [Funky Brown Chick laces her fingers together, cracks her knuckles and backs away from her laptop while whistling & mumbling, "No wonder I'm single."] Carry on.
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July 2nd, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Well… I’m just 5feet 2inches… so if a man is shorter than me that must make him “challenged” and if so… dosen’t he get a check every month for being “disabled”? LOL I’d take him! No… really. Can’t do shorter than me. Gotta be at least 5ft9in.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I’m 5′7″ so I am all about the 6′ dudes. I’m a little forgiving about it though. I can work with 5′10″ or taller.
And I’d prefer it if he was an atheist :-).
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
How about a 1-foot tall guy who’s smart, talented, a devout Saganist, and covered with green feathers?
Only kidding, I’m spoken for already.
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Things like this make me glad to be 6′ 2″. However, I am happily married to my own beautiful funky brown chick . . .
I am intrigued by the non-atheist requirement. Do you care if a potential mate is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, et al? Can he simply be a deist? Why are you against dating atheists?
July 2nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I dated a short guy about a year ago. He wasn’t shorter than me – about equal – but I think he had a chip about it. Didn’t help that his todg was a short guy too.
I think if you find a short guy who turns your brain on, the rest will be ok, but I still look at Penny Lancaster and wonder what she sees in Rod.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
ah, you are not alone. at 5′8″ (with no shoes on!), i definitely aim for the 5′11″ or taller crowd…
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 pm
sorry to hear about your short man jackie… i find that short men always have a chip on their shoulder.
at 5′11″ I am not exactly tall, but my girlfriend is 6 inches shorter than me. she likes taller guys and absolutely will not date anyone shorter than her.
in her words;
“what sense would it be to date a short guy and you both can’t reach things in the top cabinet?”
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Hey Ms FBC..I got a short man..Its soo good..height doesnt matter in these affairs of the heart…If you’re both happy..thats all that matters..I’ve been with him 15 years..I wouldn’t trade him for all the tall handsome men in the world :)
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 pm
FBC
I hear ya, you’re “list” looks an awful lot like mine – lol, no wonder I’m single too. LOL.
Christina
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 am
As a 6′1″ female (yes, you read that correctly)…I must say that while I prefer taller men, the pickings get awful slim up here. So I have dabbled in the shorter realms. Depends on the man. Some men have what my tall friends and I refer to as “Short Man’s Syndrome” while others have more confidence (and skills) than their taller counterparts.
However. If you see any 6′6″ chocolate men walking by…I will cut a short bitch on my way to snatch him up.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 am
@ DreaD: Exactly! I’m only like 5′5″ (or 5′7″ if you count my heels). If a guy’s shorter than me, he’s REALLY short! I’m a fan of the tall men.
@ tiffany: Yeah, the 5′7″ – 5′11″ range is dateable, but I’m really into 6′ or taller. :)
@ Baba Doodlius: Damn it! All the good ones are always taken! :)
@ Anjuan: No, I don’t care if he’s Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, et al. I’m a fairly spiritual person, and I’d prefer to be matched with someone who believe the same way I do.
@ Jackie: Yeah, generally speaking, I think short man have more issues with height than short women do — just as fat women have more issues with weight than fat man do.
@ wynsters the tigress: Does it bother you if shorter women date really tall men?
@ qp: Totally agree with your comment about short men — for some of them, at least. By the way, her “what sense would it be to date a short guy and you both can’t reach things in the top cabinet?” comment makes me smile.
@ mrsbigg: For all my jokes and goofy comments about little short dudes, I honestly agree with your “If you’re both happy..thats all that matters” stuff. Congrats on making it to 15 years!
@ Christina: Ah, the single life!
@ Meeks: You’re hilarious! :) My friend “Bro” is like 6′ feet tall, and she HATES it when little short women date tall men, too.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
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July 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
I’m a 5′ girl and 5′7 is the shortest man I ever dated!
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:42 pm
I would like to say that I’m opened minded about that, but, NO! I need for my date to be taller than me whether or not I’m wearing 4″ heels. And I’m 5′10″. So there you have it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 pm
lolol i prefer taller men too ;) the last guy i dated was shorted than me in heels. no wonder i didn’t call him back. lol. but i’m not a short people hater either! just…small and skinny…i prefer tall and musculated (a little bit, not like the gorilas/ nightclub’s doormen.)
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:21 pm
perheaps you’ve already dated atheist guys but the subject never came up… :P well. if it doesn’t came up on conversation no one would know about my lack of faith, even thought i’m a catholic because i was baptized as a child…
i guess some stuff are really important. i have my perfect guy all figured out too. but i know that some things i’m willing to look away. other not.
July 4th, 2008 at 12:16 am
chica, i wrote a post response just for you.
July 4th, 2008 at 2:43 am
everyone is the same size……. horizontally ……. just go for it……. or as my
Gramma would say….. very good things come in small packages….
and I love all women but there is just something about petite women that makes me very wicked…… ” nuff said” …..
lamesabassman…… you need to come to B’dos….. stat….
July 4th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Re: Wish List
- best just to put it out there…
July 4th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Of course short men are worth dating. You can leave the compact gentlemen that you don’t want for me, fbc. :)
July 5th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Meeks and The Jaded NYer, I feel for you! I’m 5′ 11″, and it’s so hard to find a decent tall guy in the first place, and then you get the 5′ shrimps with guys that are a foot taller than them! It’s pretty frustrating! :)
July 5th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
@ PullJoy: Thanks for the link love!! :)
@ Zen: I’m a 5′5″ or so, and I think 5′5″ 1/2 is the shortest I’ve dated.
@ The Jaded NYer: Ooh, girl, you’re tall!! :)
@ Carolina Pereira: Oh, I’m positive I’ve already dated atheists. :) The dude I almost married was an atheist.
@ wynsters the tigress: Love it! Just read it and left a comment.
@ lamesabassman: Went to Barbados last year. Great place.
@ HippieChyck: Very good point!
@ Bianca Reagan: Okay, it’s a deal. If I encounter any men under 5′5″, I’ll send them your way.
@ Lauren: Heeeeey, I’m not a shrimp. ;)
July 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
I’m 5′8 and I’ve had flirtations with men shorter than me (5′5), but that never really went anywhere. But height nothing to do with that.
I’ve never dated a guy over 6 ft, the average height of the guys I’ve dated is about 5′10, and I have no problem with that. My boyfriend of 3 years is 5′9, and he could care less about whether I’m taller than him with heels on.
One thing I find funny is that a lot of shorter women (5′5 and under) will demand that a guy be 5′10 or taller. I don’t get it – you’re 5′3, why do you need to date someone that is 6′2? Why not just leave the tall(er) guys for women that are 5′7+ and like to wear heels?!?
July 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Chicks aren’t supposed to date guys shorter than them. It’s just not natural. Look how they go to lengths to make Tom Cruise and Robert Downey Jr. look taller than they are through casting and camera tricks.
Similarly, guys aren’t supposed to date chicks taller than they are. What’s the point of THAT? :D
July 7th, 2008 at 1:15 am
@ chickpea: You ask, “Why not just leave the tall(er) guys for women that are 5′7+ and like to wear heels?!?” Because the short tricks are trying to cheat genetics, that’s why. Nothing but good old fashion short vs. tall gene swapping going on there. Hmmm … But, I 100% childfree and lovin’ it and I don’t wanna have any kids. So, what’s my excuse? Dunno. Tall men just turn me on. I like their long legs and torsos.
@ bill c.: You make me laugh!! :) I love it!
July 7th, 2008 at 10:56 am
This issue is used to be annoying to me, I’m a short guy, 5′5″ and I have to say that I have experienced a lot of negativity based on my height. In college I walked past these two girls and as I passed I heard one say “He’s really cute, too bad he’s short”, right then my weak little short legs buckled and I began to cry, yeah right, but sometimes it seems that ladies think short men are weak or feable.
At this point in my life I don’t need to convince anyone about the worth of short men or whatever but I would like to say that you ladies are limiting yourselves needlessly. Inside we are all the same, just trapped in our bodies.
It’s ok though, I’ve decided to only date women with c-cups or larger ……..see how stupid that sounds? At the end of the day though you ladies are gonna like what you like so “c’est la vie” I guess.
July 7th, 2008 at 11:17 am
@Dave: No doubt, man. Prince is “short than a mug”, and look at the list Apollonia, Vanity, Diamond and Pearl, etc etc etc.
The short man can get over with personality, sexuality and sensuality, but the fact remains that in the vast majority of situations, you just don’t see taller chicks with shorter dudes.
One chick told me that messing with a dude shorter than her would make her feel like she was dating her younger brother. :/
July 8th, 2008 at 2:37 am
tell me if I’m a little left of center here…. could someone riddle me this…..
” How come if the Ladies out there are so hellacool from 4′ 9 and rising ….”
and, the Dudes get a pass….. and please …. dont say that in
this case “size does matter”……
it’s not mass but motion….. Presence is everything….. and … if the Dudes are
cool… give them a shot.. all we need is.. love.. a very wise man said that once.
lamesabassman…….. dont make me tell yo’ mama……
July 8th, 2008 at 3:31 am
@ Dave: Okay, here’s the thing. I’m 5′5.” If I date a guy who’s shorter than that, it makes me feel big, fat, ugly and everything else that’s the opposite of dainty. No 5′3″ for me. For most women who won’t date men shorter than their height, that’s probably the issue.
@ lamesabassman: Hey, hey. No mama talk around here.
@ bill c.: GREAT point!!! :) Big fat generalizations aside, there are always exceptions to every rule. Hell, I’ve dated dudes only an inch or two taller than me. And, for now, the ex that I found the most physically attractive was shorter than me when I wore really high heels. That said, echoing your words, “the fact remains that in the vast majority of situations, you just don’t see taller chicks with shorter dudes.”
July 8th, 2008 at 10:41 am
and…. The FBC is 5′5″….. that sounds soooo delicious ….
lamesabassman…… that sounds like a lot of room to move, love…
July 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Although I am overjoyed with the revelation that at 5′5″ I have matched the minimum height requirement to enjoy the Twanna ride I am saddened with the knowledge that like minded femininine beauties who happen to be 5′6″ or taller will forego the pleasure of being with little Dave in favor of dating a “guy from Europe” as you so eloquently put it.
Just who is a 5′3″ guy supposed to date? I commonly see girls 4′11″ dating tall guys.
In conclusion………..Twanna in your experience, however vast or limited that may be, have you enjoyed the sex with the taller guys or the men closer to your stature?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Dave: Honestly? I don’t think good sex correlates to height, penis size or other stuff like that. The best sex I ever had was with this young, cherubic, curly-haired music writer kid. He wasn’t much taller than I am, and it was totally unexpected. Nothing super wild and kinky. He just REALLY knew what he was doing.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:33 am
hi ladies,
well I am a vietnamese man 5′ 2″. (yea! 5 feet 2 inches). Well being a very short man I hope my words of wisdom can shine a small bit of light on this issue. First and formost I am extremly buff so yes from a distance I look like a man. i’m currently dating a 5′ 11″ and i love her to death and NO! hieght has never plaied any roll what so ever in our relationship. Might i add she is white. Yes i know a guy should be tall but for you short men out there you will need to be better. Like me I make a decent living 130 grand per year, master of arts and I drive a pretty cool car that wakes up my neighbors when I start her up. Well to make things a tad worst my thingy is also short and bent. So i’m living proof that any hieght can be overcomed. A side note thank god i got a pretty face. Without that i’m done for.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:35 am
darn I forgot to say it turns me on when she grabs things on the fridge for me. I think it turns her on too cause we usually end up making love.
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:15 am
@ Derrick Tran: You said that you hoped your words could shine “a small bit of light.” Pun intended, I assume. ;) You sound so cute. :)
October 31st, 2008 at 5:21 am
Interesting read. I’m a 25 year old 5′7″ man. I agree with many of you: some women just refuse to date “short” men. In actuality, I feel most women just “feel” they need a taller man due to their own insecurities. I have my own as well. We all do. But instead of posting on here describing my “perfect” woman, I’ve got my cute little bubble booty out there in the real world looking for interesting females that I find attractive. A man’s pretty eyes, nice smile, nice ass, and confidence account for more than his height. Course, that’s my opinion, but I do see more Yeses than Nos in women’s eyes when I first meet them. The rest is cake.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
@ FBC — Damn girl, I laughed my ass off when I got the end of your article! =)
I’m a 5′5″ chick who went out on a date with a 5′4″ fellow last night. I think it’s a bummer that it has to be weird if a taller chick dates a shorter dude. Because of these standards, I feel a little self conscious hanging out with him, especially because he has a nice body, and I’m on the, ahem, 190lb, curvy side, but he’s soooooo cute! So how can I say no to another date, especially when he loves the same movies I do! ^_^
I’ve read that a lot of women get over the height thing “within a week or two” especially if there’s a strong connection. Did I mention this guy’s deadly handsome?? =)
December 1st, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I just finished a stint with online dating, mixed results. One thing I noticed for sure was that women were almost 95% comfortable to prejudge all men based on height and hair alone. There ideal matches were almost always 5′10 and up. This was the case even when they were like 4′10 or 5′3 which I think is hilarious. Maybe they are just insecure or just hoping they will find the perfect match, therefore they are just looking to eliminate any other possibilities in the beginning. Being in the 5′7″ range, many women will say, oh he’s cute, has a good job and is funny, but I just don’t date short guys, lol… I don’t get it, I’ve had more luck dating women that are 5′8″ and 5′9″ than women my own height and shorter. I think this points to the insecurity in shorter women needing taller men to make them feel better. Works for me though, cuz I usually get the taller hot chicks who don’t want a taller arrogant man. So keep it up ladies, my dating life is counting on it. :p
December 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
If your simply not attracted to short men that’s one thing, but to go out of your way to not date short men although you might click with one is another. I’m 5′6″ and think that I’m fairly handsome. It actually feels good to be screened out because of my height, that way I don’t have to deal with superficial women.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
To me, prejudice against shorter people is strong out there, and very unfounded. That perhaps is where the chip on their shoulder comes from, thanks to many people much like some of the comments i see posted here.
To me, saying height is good/bad is like saying biracial dating is bad.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I’m not real sure what to say to all of these responses. I’ve “struggled” with being the shortest guy for…most of my life. It’s pretty simple, actually. Any man or woman that refuses to consider dating someone based on their physical appearance is being prejudice. It isn’t a preference. It’s an accepted prejudice (unless you get into skin color, which is no longer an “acceptable” prejudice).
When a woman says that a taller man would make her feel “safe” or “petite” or like a woman or whatever, they’re expressing an insecurity they don’t want to deal with. Something I’m all too familiar with. However, I can’t blame anyone for a prejudice they’ve been taught to accept as normal since birth. It’s everywhere. Advertising, day and night. It is a social standard.
I CAN, however, blame myself for buying into the BS that short men like myself weren’t worth dating (or at least awarded the same respect as any other a-hole out there). At least until I questioned why. It frustrates me to think people are told to be proud of the color of their skin, of their heritage, of their gender, of their religion, their sexual orientation; but when it comes to height, society demands you to be ashamed if you don’t come out on top.
I implore you, the next time you pre-judge someone, whether they be too short, too fat, etc., ask yourself “Why do I think that? What’s the truth behind this judgment?” If you’re a Christian…WWJD? If you’re an atheist, don’t be another sheep believing what you’re told.
Also, don’t call me Little Jon. If I were black would you call me Black Jon? Didn’t think so.
January 7th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Very intelligent comment. You summed it up really well!
January 19th, 2009 at 1:00 am
The topic of height fascinates me to no end. I’m 5-8 and won’t look at a man under 6 feet. But over 6-4 is too tall. 6-2 and a half is PERFECT for me. But not because I’m 5-8. But because 6-2 just looks SOOOO good on a man!
I wish I were SIX FEET. And if I was, I’d wear 4 inch heels!
Read all my “tall women” articles on the Associated Content site right here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/subject/article/tall+women
I have written about every imaginable element having to do with heightism. If you’re a tall woman who’s self-conscious, you have got to read my empowering articles.
Let’s face it: Tall rules!
February 14th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Hello everyone!
From a short guys perspective(5′4″) I would just have to say that yes most women do prefer taller guys that are at least 5 inches tall then them. Where does that leave me you might ask? Even though I’m not a bad looking guy I have been passed over a few times simply because of my height. This used to bother me, but like some of my short counterparts we have learned to adapt and over come. Most women that have this stipulation when it comes to dating are usually quite shallow or insecure. Not all but most…ladies. With the odds against me I’ve come to realize that the more successful and confident I become the more women seem to find me attractive. Personally I prefer a woman that fits in my arms and at ease I can look into her eyes and tell her I love her. Not only is very different to see such short people dating but as time goes on and more of the shorter women date these towering guys the more unique our relationship will come
Happy Valentine’s Day!
February 15th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Andrew,
Maybe it’s true that most women who stipulate that their men be taller are immature or insecure, but men are just as guilty with their stipulation that a woman be at least two years younger. While I have passed over men because they were not tall enough, I’m sure there are men who passed me over because I was 31 and they were 27, or I was 27 and they were 23. And if you think emotional maturity is the issue here (really, do you think so?), then what about men who pass women over because their waist isn’t like a Barbie doll’s or their breasts aren’t like Pam Anderson’s?
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Read through these comments and it’s easy to see why us short men have a chip on their shoulder. We’re constantly overlooked or not even given a chance because of our height. I’m 5′6″ and it’s laughable when you see how often I get passed up on. Online dating, forget it, that’s worse. Even the women who are 5′0″ want a guy that’s at least 5′10″.
I’ve got a good career, I’m pretty witty, I am a good dresser, I take care of myself, I am a very friendly person… But the issue is that women don’t give me enough of a chance to show them all of my good qualities. For a long time I didn’t really consider that my height was the issue, but after months and months and months of unsuccessful dating, numerous first (and only) dates, and constantly being the guy that’s “cute and very sweet but too short,” it really starts to eat away at you.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:34 am
I’m 5′3″ and all I can say is wow is it difficult being a short guy. I’m a good person, make more than probably everyone in the posts above (>$775k last year) but it’s amazing. You have women essentially laugh in your face! Even fat ugly ones! I think women are as we are, so stop whining about it. You can lose weight. I can’t grow taller….
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 am
I’m a short guy, and damn, if there are any harsh prejudices left in the world, height definitely is the worst. Just like skin color, a person has no say in how tall they will eventually become. Now I can accept that people have sexual preferences, fine, I do too. But its the total disregard and meanness that gets to me, from both men and women.
I used to be a nice guy, and let me tell you, that gets a man in our small shoes nowhere. I discovered the answer is to be MEAN right back. A woman disregards or blows me off with a short comment- it only takes me a fraction of a second to look at her and come up with her most devastating insecurity. When a woman looks down on me, I chop her down off her pedestal.
Fact is, a woman will only go after a guy if she thinks he is somehow better than he, that she is dating up, make a woman feel bad enough…
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I think the main problem in this dialog is that most people who end up at this blog from search results are usually very short men or very tall women.
They are affected more by this issue.
So let me speak from the “middle ground”. I’m 5′10.5. I have dated women taller than me (>6′) and women extraordinarily shorter than me (<5′).
So in the words of Ludacris, stop discriminatin’. Too tall, too short, too fat, too skinny, too pretty, too ugly, too hot, too handsome, too white, too black, too old, too young. Who cares? Love is what matters. Find someone who makes your crazy, idiosyncracic ass happy and I’ll call you a lucky person.
Until then you’re spiteful on a blog. lol..
March 7th, 2009 at 6:13 am
I am 4′9. Shortest guy to comment so far. And due to my height, i have never dated a girl even though i am good-looking.
Just like men don’t like dating fat girls, women don’t like dating short guys. That is the way they were created and we can’t blame them for that.
March 8th, 2009 at 4:50 am
@shortguy, I have a friend who’s 4′6-7.
March 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Yes of course. Anybody can have a short friend. I have lots of friends that are girls and they all like me. But they like me as a friend. When it comes to relationships, short people will be one of the last to chose from. That is why i don’t even bother trying to ask them for a date. Never did, never will.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:17 am
@ ABX.. hehe I feel your pain. I’m only 5′5 Filipino, 20 years old and I live in here Canada. There are times that my mom’s friend mentioned that I looked 15 years old. lol. but it didn’t let me down. Just build self-confidence and everything will be fine. If you’re looking for a girl to date for then pick Filipina(feminine for Filipino female), most of them are not into height, they’re into good loving attitude V.^^.V Not to mention their pretty short too. :P
March 9th, 2009 at 1:34 am
P.S. The average height for Filipino man is 5′4. So I’m above average back home, but now here in Canada I’m one of the smallest.lol. But I saw some American guy who’s the same boat as me, and that thing makes me happy.lol. Just be optimistic.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I’m 5′6′ and almost a doctor. I have found that there are misconceptions that are initially set with Women’s desires. Recall that the need for such a “protective agent”, i.e. tall men, is purely biological and is not valid in today’s world. There are so many “threats” that exist today than in our time … tall men can’t just bank on their “verticalness” to protect them. For short men out there, recall that some of these women who play the “survival” card may potentially have a deep embedding of insecurities. Life is a great equalizer and initially if you are having trouble dating or getting women’s attention because they are susceptible to initial perception … then learn the “game” and create opportunities to make yourself more noticable … Talent is the greatest correlation to survivability … not height! … The assumptions of height were disembodied from the survivalist scheme once projectile weapons were created. Find the relation and take advantage of it!!! .. My best!
March 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I commented a couple weeks ago and during that time, I totally switched my game up and have actually had TOO MUCH success with women. I’ve pulled at least 3 numbers every night I’ve gone out, most of them taller by a couple of inches, and have been actually having scheduling problems now that they all want to hang out with me. What’s my secret, fellas?
Confidence. Plain and simple.
I have been going out there and just being happy being me. Giving off the vibe that you could care less about meeting someone will make women WANT to meet you. Going out to clubs and just dancing and inviting women to dance “near” or “by” you but allowing them enough space to feel comfortable is one of my techniques. It shows that I can be fun with strangers without putting any pressure on them. They don’t even feel like I’m trying to pick them up, they end up trying to pick ME up.
Don’t worry short guys! There’s hope for us. Just stay away from online dating altogether because that is a dead end for us. Do it live, and do it fun!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Trivia.
Did you know that tom cruise is only 5′7 :P. be happy guys! :P
March 10th, 2009 at 1:29 am
Well, even though fat women are able to get thinner but short men CAN NOT get taller, i think there is only one way to get girls is to make a name for yourself. Become successful. Be a celebrity. Be a well recognized man that everybody respects and look up to. Then women will look at that short guy like any tall handsome man. Am i right here? Isn’t that what girl wants?
March 10th, 2009 at 1:33 am
But unfortualty, it is very hard to achieve that and only very few men are able to be celebrities. If you can’t be that successful, then you have to find a girl who is not as shallow and superficial and those are usually the BEST type of girls. Why would you want to be with a girl who judge you by your appearance in the first place? Remember, not all girls are the same.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:21 am
@ ABX. just be true to yourself. You don’t need to be something to get their attention.
March 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
@ Arvyn
Thanks a lot for the reply. But how is being successful or making a name for yourself make somebody NOT true? It is not that they are trying to be somebody else. It just means that they are working very hard to be very successful.
March 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
What is it that a women looks in a man? Especially when he’s short?
March 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I’ve noticed in some of the posts by short men that when they start describing their “good” qualities, superficial things like “good dresser” and income come up. If men, regardless of height, think that their best assets are superficialities like earning 775K per year or being an “good dresser,” then maybe this is where the problem is.
I couldn’t care less how much a man earns, unless he’s a lazy bum who refuses to get a job. But 775K to me is as good as 75K or 17K. If a man tried to impress me with money, he just blew it. And “good dresser” ? Who gives a sh—? As long as the clothes are CLEAN, and don’t look outlandish. I’m fine with plaid shirts, t shirts and jeans.
I’m more interested in the physique beneath the clothes. Clothes don’t make the body. And yes, I’m one of those women who seeks only tall men. But not because of the “survival card” or to feel protected. Why, I’ll kick any man’s a– who tries to assault me. I’m 5-8 and seem not just a 6-2 man, but one with broad shoulders and wonderfully strong, muscular (but not bulked up) arms.
I’ve been blown off by plenty of men because of my personality. I can’t change my personality any more than a short guy can grow taller.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Oh, one more thing. To the short men here who can’t get dates: Are you seeking ONLY younger women? If so, what’s up with that ? You limit yourselves. And if a woman MUST be younger, you’re just as guilty as women wanting only taller men. In fact, someone here said when women want only taller men, they play the “survival game” and must be insecure.
WHen men want only younger women, they play the “protector game!” and they, too, must be insecure!
March 10th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
@Jillita
No. Short men and even tall men don’t care about age. They prefer to date a women who is as old or younger but it is not a necessity.
I don’t understand why you even mentioned ‘age’ in the first place.
Old people date old people. Young people date young people. But does that mean that short men should date short women? Technically yes, but unlike the ‘age’ problem, short women usually DON’T want to date short guys. So ‘age’ is a totally different case and shouldn’t be brought here. Old women don’t have problems dating old men and old men don’t have problems dating old women.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
@ABX Watch this. lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEV9q9CHAKw
March 10th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
HAHA!
Thanks a lot Arvyn.
That asian guy had some really good points.
I really hope that most people can actually think the same way he did.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
@ ABX. hehe. would you mind if add you on myspace? since we’re both small dude.. lol
March 10th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Sure buddy. I certainly don’t mind. I always like to make new friends. But too bad i don’t have myspace. I use facebook. If you use facebook, just send me a message through devil_dexter@hotmail.com And that is not my actual e-mail. I am giving out my acutual one on this site to avoid spam if you know what i mean.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:14 am
hey ABX I already added/message you! :D (Out of topic) – LOL
March 11th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Wow… I cant believe i spent my time reading most of these posts… but i did… Peoples minds really do get the best of them…
I’m a short man… 5′4… however, to dwell on this matter will only get the better of me, as well as everyone else… the opinions of those who say they want a taller man can certainly be changed… there are a few people who have commented, that have come to this conclusion, but there are those who are just stuck in a narrow way of thinking…
Women want what they like… but you all know the saying “you cant always get what you want”… you can like what you want… so influence them to like you… have something else that women want… its not hard… let the best of you shine through when engaging with a woman… personality is the prize… confidence is the key… and a woman will without a doubt overlook ones appearance if they learn to love something else about you… trust me… im living proof…
i make ok money… im cute (as most short men will hear throughout their life, over and over)… my body is built in the summer and heavy in the winter… regardless… i win women over with my wit… my charm… my persuasion for them to overlook my exterior… every girl (ive lost count) that ive been with has been taller than me… ranging from 5′5 to 6′0… and when they comment on how short i am… i make light of the situation… i tell them i should be hitting a growth spurt anytime now… im 30… but it gets a laugh almost everytime… then change the subject… women in general, well men too, wont be attracted to someone who doesnt like something about themselves, and then dwell on it… so start liking your short stature and start lovin your other attributes…
You can’t categorize the whole world into one pile either… there are so many different types of people in the world… and ultimately, we all want the same things… happiness and love in our life… Your not gonna be friends with everyone you meet… same goes for dating… some people just arent right for eachother… but there are plenty of people in the world that ARE right for eachother… that goes for everybody… if some girl doesnt like you… move on… there is without a doubt, someone out there who will… they may not be posting a comment on this page, but thats only like 50 opinions… out of how many people in the world…
We may not be able to grow anymore… but we can absolutely grow on people…
Now im gonna go kick myself in the head for spending my time on this topic…
good luck shorty’s
March 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
nuff said. thanks TC! :D
March 11th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
As a guy whose 5′7 and 20 years old I can agree with the sentiment that the vast majority of women would rather date the very tall serial killer richard ramirez over a thoughtful, handsome, nobel prize winning guy the same height as them or shorter. Not to brag, but I’ve been told once in a while that i am not bad looking (some would even say handsome), I’ve been blessed with nice hair, I work out and have a very toned and strong body, take my masculinity very seriously, am very well-read and can have an indepth conversation about virtually anything, I’m very bold and definately never shy down from standing up for my beliefs, can make a girl laugh (in fact women love to be around me because of this),
and yet… despite all this, no even remotely cute girl can overlook my height: 5′7 which isn’t even THAT short (2 inches below AVERAGE). IT’s almost like I have some kind of horrible disfigurement or deformity, that is how women treat you. I’d like to also point out that these women are all between 4′11 and 5′6. “Youre not my type”, “if you were a little taller i’d totally date you” (a real bummer), ETC. If girls at 4′11 and 5′2 will reject me because of my height, who can I date?
In the end, I’ve given up on any romance atleast until I can make decent money (i work retail right now to pay for school) and get my wife from a foreign country. I also now hang out solely with my male friends which is more fulfilling and fun actually, as my former female friends treated me like one of the gals which is infuriating to me (btw i never put myself in the beta male position but women assume that not being so tall makes you a beta male by default).
About short man’s syndrome, collective experiences with women are what creates this. Maybe if women stopped treating short guys like theyre freaks, handicapped, effeminate, or something to be pitied, we wouldn’t despise you as much. Any guy who has any slightest defect that women generally reject him for will be bitter and hateful to women, not just guys under 5′10.
F.U.!
March 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
My two cents again: The guy above is wondering who he can date if short girls won't even date him. How about a very tall woman? Think about this: A very tall woman may not want to date a tall man, because if they get married and have kids, the kids will likely be super super tall, and she may not want this. So to even out the height genes and lessen the odds of having a 6'7″ daughter, she may only be interested in short men.
April 20th, 2009 at 11:18 am
I am a tall male that prefers very slim women. I've been criticise by women for being so picky about a lady's weight. But after reading this women seem to have more issues about a guy's height, then guys have issues about a woman's weight. Females are such hypocrits and those guys under 6 foot have not control over their height. I'm seeing insults and negative stereo types against short males. If something like that was said about women that were over weight, minority group, any racial group you same women would be saying the person is shalow or even racist. Now if you have your preference for tall guys that's fine but dissing guys under 6ft for something they ABSOLUTELY no control over, isn't fair. Atleast the fat female can loose the weight, all she has to do is get off her lazy fat ass and hit the treadmill. I read one were a female admitted she was only 5ft 2in and wont date anybody unless their atleast 5ft 9in. So being 6 inches taller than the woman isn't good enough. That's the way alot of short women are, no matter how short they are, the dude has to be real tall.
April 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Jilllita Your two cents is not worth anything. What you wrote is rediculous. Most tall women prefer a tall man especially the decent looking tall ladies.. That's the problem I'm seeing for short guys. The short ladies, will not date them and the tall ones wont either, so who are they to date. They can't make themselves taller no matter how much they hit the gym. So is that fair???
5ft 7in is not a midget but the way these ladies talk you would think the person was.
AL made an excellent point about over weight women, and most of them will complain about men not being fair. Women are more unfair toward guys when it comes to height. I can understand if you want somebody taller, but requiring every guy to be atleast 7 inches taller, is a bit stupid.
April 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I would have to agree……..plan and simple….Jillita……possible one day in your life you will find out what your missing, but if not who cares your just lower your chances that you find someone who you can have a lasting relationship with. Your responses are completely one sided, irrational, and irrelevant in this discussion. Most men when it comes to long term relationships aren't really picky at all……we can't afford to be!! We may talk hard but when it comes down to it we just want a good women who is willing to think beyond herself. On the other side of this…..most (not all) women are indeed very picky…..and they don't even have a problem admitting. Sure it's not fair……but honestly it's not going to change. I've found my best luck with only dating educated women whom have achieved professional success in there career. My current gf is 27 and a RN. Granted she is 4 years older than me but I could careless. The only thing that she requires of me is that I love her unconditionally and that we're honest with each other. Also, I should mention that I'm 5'4″ which is 6 inches shorter than her.
Guys the best advice I can give you is take a look at yourself first. Get your life together and explorer your potential. This is key to finding a good, smart, and caring women that you seek. Don't think that your going to find love in a bar or at club.
If your relationship doesn't make both of you better people than it's probably not going to work.
Sorry to open the topic to a broader subject but I think height just like anything else is really only as significant as you make it.
Good luck guys with finding a good women it can be really tough……I know.
April 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Colton wrote, ” like to also point out that these women are all between 4'11 and 5'6. “Youre not my type”, “if you were a little taller i'd totally date you” (a real bummer), ETC. If girls at 4'11 and 5'2 will reject me because of my height, who can I date?”
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Now if you look at it this way, if a woman is only 4' 11″ inches but has a problem with a guy being only 5' 7″ This would be like a woman 5' 7″ having a problem with a guy being 6' 3″
This is the weird shit short guys have to put up with a guy 6' 3″ would never have to put up with.
April 22nd, 2009 at 7:47 am
Wow. What a sad world. Has anybody ever thought about getting to know somebody else as a person?
I must admit. I feel insulted by some of the comments made here. I am a woman, and I am 4′ 10″. When women insult men due to their height, they are also insulting short women. Especially the woman who joked that men who are under 5′ 2″ have a disability. If men under 5′ 2″ are disabled due to their height then so are women under 5′ 2″. Would it still be funny if someone 6′ 2″ made the same joke about people under 5′ 3″?
By the way. I prefer short men. Tall me just make me feel shorter. However, I have dated taller men, and if I met a tall man who I felt a connection with, I would not turn him down because of his height.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am
@ Shanna
Unfortunately, girls like you who don’t judge guys about the way they look are very few. And of course, height shouldn’t be considered as a disability. People should be judged by the content of their character, not by physical appearance.
And when i think deeply about it, so what if short means handicapped? Does that mean that they don’t deserve the love of anybody cus they are handicapped? Does that mean that blind, deaf, wheelchair people don’t deserve any love cus they are different?
April 23rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Shanna, I’m so glad you made that point. If short women are dissing short men then they should say the same thing about themselves. What I don’t like by some of the post is they look at just being short in itself as ugly but only if it’s a guy that’s short. Well if you going to feel a certain way atleast be consistent and not be a hypocrit. When I was a teenager I was a lot more confident around short ladys because I ASSUMED that my height would not be an issue. As long as I was taller than the female I was in good shape. To my shock I found out short women as a whole had an even bigger problem with my height. I thought I was just running into bad luck but realize it was the norm. I read on this other web page this lady who’s just 5 ft even said should would NEVER date a guy under 5ft 10in. So being 9 inches taller is not good enough for her.
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts7767741.aspx
May 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
The association of “short” with “weak” is unfounded. I am 5ft 6inches, weigh 200lbs, and can bench press about 250lbs. Granted, this doesn’t make me HUGE or in line for the world’s strongest man, but it does make me bigger and stronger than the average man……just shorter….so what is the big deal with that? A person’s body weight and strength has a lot more to do with being a good “protector” than being tall does.
To be honest, though, I have only come across a girl who wouldn’t date me because of my height once, and have dated many girls taller than me….up to 6ft 1.
May 11th, 2009 at 12:29 am
I totally understand Funk. I don’t have anything against fat chics, but I just don’t want to date em. Especially after their pregnant and still got the flubber going on. That’s just nasty and smells. I like my skinny chics! They smell good and have a nice tight body. Mmm. There’s nothing like a skinny chic walking by smelling good with a nice hot body. And it’s also much easier to have sex with a skinny chic.
May 14th, 2009 at 5:10 am
I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.
May 25th, 2009 at 4:39 am
I’m 5′5″, male, and I realized there’s not enough light in the day to be concerned about a broken mirror.. Fairness has more to do with sympathy than happiness. After all, I found this blog from pure greed alone. Wow, I just remembered that my former classmate from junior/h.s had four limbs, pretty much living from his wheelchair. Let the wind chimes sing.
May 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Hey Im a 5″7 man who loves women but I dont blame you women who whants a short guy we have no reason to be here
June 4th, 2009 at 8:23 am
To me, dating short guys isn’t worth the hassle. I have dated guys as short as 5′8″, and it is always an issue dealing with coworkers, friends, and family criticizing my choice. Every time I dated a short guy, my friends would try to set me up with someone else. I also got the feeling that people were looking at us when we were out in public. I’m 5′6″ and sometimes wear heels, and would sometimes be the same height or even a little taller than the guy I was with. This made me feel self-conscious. So, no more short men for me, thank you very much. I’m with a 6′1″ guy now, and it’s great!
June 4th, 2009 at 10:59 am
@jill
So you are basically saying that short men are not worth dating because of all the negative remarks you get from the public? So dating men is like a game to you? You have to date a man who is tall just to look GOOD to the public NOT because the man’s personality or value?
In conclusion, dating to you now is all about choosing a guy who looks good and what your friends and family want. Dating to you is NOT about whether you really like the guy or if the guy has a good personality or of some value. It is all about looks, right?
June 5th, 2009 at 6:18 am
@jill
That’s sooo sad, no wonder a lot of women have trouble finding Mr. Right. How superficial can a person get. And women have the nerve to claim mostly guys are superficial. Women are just as bad if not worse. And you let your shallow friends and family members dictate who you should and should not date. I can understand if the guy treats you like crap, friends and family trying to fix you up with a guy that’s good and has his act together, but trying to fix you up with somebody else just because the other guy is only two inches taller than you. Don’t you think that’s a little weird? What’s the requirement? The guy has to be 6 inches taller if the woman is around 5′ 6″, A guy has to be 12 inches taller if the woman is only 5 foot? That’s basicly what I’m seeing from these post.
What if guys rejected women over height? A lot of women wouldn’t be dating at all.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:58 am
But Jill’s post made me realize something else. Even if a short male has no problem attracting women he still will have a problem with the woman’s friends and and family making negative comments and trying real hard to break you two up by putting pressure or her and trying to fix her up with other people. I guess this goes on a lot without the short male realizing what’s going on. He’s living life having a good time with his lady, treating her good and all of a sudden for no reason she breaks up with him. There’s a lot of accepted prejudice against short males in society. The’s a name for predudice toward people of a certain height. and researchers have unanamously concluded it is aimed almost exclusively toward short males. Tall men, Tall women and short women rarely have to deal with this.
My neice is only 4′ 9″ and she was heavily criticise by friends for dating a dude that was only 5′ 1″, that was really bold of her to do that thinking back on it. Her friends were saying all these tall guys are interested and you’re dating short dude. Because she was in highschool at the time I didn’t think much of it, I just thought it was a bunch of silly highschool mess but looking at Jill’s post that goes on way after highschool even if the dude was 5′ 6″ and instead of 5′ 1″
June 5th, 2009 at 10:18 am
hey jill I study psychology, my recent message was just an experament, but jill to worry about what every one thinks about you, you must be one miserable woman. Not being able to be your own person so another words you have to be with a guy 6′1 to feel like you your own person. Not good sister your soul is in trouble, be yourself and be happy no matter who your with. Not becasue of what your friends and familly say but rather what ”GOD” and your soul is telling you. Comming from a psychological perspective, to worrying about what other people think of you like you do has to take a toll on you and your happyness, “you must experience anxiety is my guess”. It takes to much energy worrying about what other think, you have the “spot light effect”. Not good for you or healthy, your also very surfaced in your thinking . Tall or short men can see right through you, believe me. You should do some soul searching and change your way of thinking thats real, cause you don’t want to pass this way of thinking to you offspring or even have this way of thinking from not only a psychological perspective, but a godly perspective. Me personaly will kick it with anyone any time anyplace to hell what everyone else thinks. im having fun with my friend hear me! no matter what you look like, and thats real. Thats the god in me speaking jill, you and your family need to change your way of thinking, Its not godly nore is it humane. feal me! this message is not to scold you but rather enlighten you. There is no room on this earth for that way of thinking, we all should be looking at eachothers souls to start with, and thats real, you would be much more happier and would be intune with many great people if oyu changed your way of thinking, hear me! I work with disabled people and GOD is good, GOD is good, jill let go and let GOD This is probably some of the best advice you’ll get in your life. I know alot of shallow thinkers, and trust me you don’t want ot be one of them. In order to be great you have to think great. Peace everyone and GODbless you all and I realy mean that.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Well, I see a few short guys have gotten their panties in a bunch. I am perfectly able to think for myself. Let me explain it this way: There are plenty of nice guys out there, some are tall and some are short. Dating a nice tall guy doesn’t cause friction between me and the people in my life. Dating a short guy does. The crap I take for dating the short guy doesn’t make him less attractive to me. My friends’ opinion doesn’t change the way I see him. However, why should I take on the burden of constantly having to defend my decisions when there are EQUALLY good tall guys to date? It makes no sense.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I totally understand what Jill is trying to say.
It is like having two decisions. First one is to date a tall guy who with a good personality and the other one is to date a short guy with a good personality. Which one do you expect her to choose? Obviously the tall guy with good personality. And as she said, there are equally good tall guys to date. ‘Taller’ is considered as better in this world. So why should she go with short which is considered as NOTHING in our world? I don’t really blame her for her decision.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
So what does that leave short guys in this world if tall guys are equally good? Live miserably and single for the rest of their lives?
Well, that is why you don’t see lots of short guys with girls.
So short guys have two options:
1. Finding a girl who is NOT shallow which is pretty rare.
2. Making a name for yourself and be successful.
Lil Wayne is the BEST example of how success will make short people look as good as tall people. Firstr of all, Lil Wanye is not physically attractive. He is dumb. He used to do drugs. No social skills. Remember what all those girls said they want a guy who is at least 6′? Well, Lil Wayne is only 5′6″. And now, girls go CRAZY on him. They love him like hell. And that is not the surprising part. They find this ugly short man more sexually attractive than any tall handsome guy. So how could a dumb ugly short guy be that attractive to girls? SUCCESS is the answer. He was able get money, fame and success by singing.
So this brings good news to short guys. There is hope and there is a way to be as good looking as tall men. But it also brings bad news. It is really difficult and almost impossible to gain such fame and success.
So the best way is just to search for those extremely rare breed of girls who don’t care about appearance.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Jill you just contradicted yourself…LOL, You said dating a tall NICE man does not cause friction between you and your shallow friends, so basicly you’re saying dating a short NICE man does cause friction between you and your shallow friends. In other words you make your decission based on the approval of your shallow friends. What if you can’t find a NICE tall man?, I guess you don’t date anybody or get your shallow friends to find somebody for you?
And Jill you are the first female I ever heard admit there are plenty of nice guys out there..lol, It took this subject to get a female to admit to that..lol
And ABX you said short is considered a NOTHING in this world? Who exactly is saying that because they are not saying it publicly, only privately among fellow shallow people. And most guys have no problem with dating short women, so this “NOTHING” comment is aimed at short males.
I’m thinking ABX and Jill are the same person. You got two over the top comments in a row. That’s funny.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Damn I didn’t see the other nutty by ABX…oops
That one is a real winner. I disagree with this notion that short equals ugly, being short does not make somebody ugly. Actually being ugly makes somebody ugly. Based on your logic, Tom Cruise is ugly,Paul Newman and Doug Flutie, Alfonso Robeiro of Fresh Prince of Bell-aire is ugly and..etc, But most women wouldn’t say those guys are ugly. Now I agree lil wayne is ugly and I was saying that long before I knew who he was and how tall he was, because I was looking at his face not his height. Like with a fat woman she could have a pretty face but the body is ugly, and that’s the part that turns guys off. So if the short man had an ugly physique or a beer belly then you would have something. And requiring short males to be famous is a bit rediculous, why don’t you go out and become famous? It’s not like going out and just getting job. Now Snoop Dog is tall but ugly, Buster Douglas is REAL ugly but you ladies wont admit to that…lol, It’s funny how women can be so shallow about something and act as if guys are the ones that are shallow. Woman are a lot worse. My wife has no problem with my height and personally I could care less what the average shallow female has to say. It’s women are always complaining about there are not any good men out there. That’s why I thought it was so funny to hear somebody say thre are plenty of nice guys out there. I have someone so it doesn’t affect me but listening to how stupid a lot of females are makes me appreciate what I have at home. So thank you :-)
June 5th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@ James
No i am NOT Jill. Read my previous posts here and you will understand that we are two different people. In fact, i am a 19 year male who is only 4′11”.
I have lots of females friends who treat me well and respect me. But if i ask anything beyond that, they will refuse. And by reading all the comments from shallow women here, i wouldn’t even bother trying. And yes, i am a short guy and it is true that short is considered as NOTHING in this world when it comes to dating. Just look at what girls say about short men. Obviously i do not consider myself as NOTHING but in the eyes of girls when it comes to dating, short men are NOTHING compared to tall men and you know that is true. It is a sad fact and we can’t do anything about it.
So tell me James, without being successful how the hell are short men supposed to attract women? We have to be realistic here, James.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:47 am
First of all jill your disrespectful, short men dont wear panties. Second your self eseem is based on what people say and who your with, you have a false sense of self esteem I bet it goes up and down. 3rd Im a brotha Ive done modeling I a blackbelt in jiu jitsu and have my degree in psychology. 4th your almost a midget your 5′6, and you want some 6′1, get real your a shorty most men 6′1most likely don’t want you, you found one that did. Also I have no problem gatting women especialy ones like you Jill. Your a midget yourself you should be with someone 5′6 wich your probalby only 5′5, I would put everything on that. Your a very funny lil woman with a complex, believe me you fit the description. Your way of thinking is so simple, and easy to direct. get a life and a brain, real men dont wear panties baby. I met beautiful Intelligent tall/short women and thier thinking is far past yours. Why are you even on thist site if you dont care about some your hieght 5′5. your either confused, or a short man 5′6 hurt your feelings. Im almost 5′8 and know I could get you for a fact but you would have nothing to feed my brain, lil woman that feels tall in heels, you have a very false sense of security. Your thinking is so simple that thats what you neet is some simple like yourself. Hey find god and get an education you may think a little deeper about life. peace and hair grease people, Godbless jill.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:49 am
ABX it’s goona be OK
June 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
@ James
No i am NOT Jill. Read my previous posts here and you will understand that we are two different people. In fact, i am a 19 year male who is only 4′11”. I have lots of females friends who treat me well and respect me. But if i ask anything beyond that, they will refuse. And by reading all the comments from shallow women here, i wouldn’t even bother trying. And yes, i am a short guy and it is true that short is considered as NOTHING in this world when it comes to dating. Just look at what girls say about short men. Obviously i do not consider myself as NOTHING but in the eyes of girls when it comes to dating, short men are NOTHING compared to tall men and you know that is true. It is a sad fact and we can’t do anything about it.
So tell me James, without being successful how the hell are short men supposed to attract women? We have to be realistic here, James.
And well said, Joeyyyyyyyy.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Fellas, relax.
Have you ever heard the phrase “Necessity breeds creativity?”
There is one thing the tall guys have that we don’t; necessity. I posted awhile back about how I thought being short was hurting my dating life…. I’ve never been more wrong.
Tall guys ‘get’ the attention, meaning they don’t have to earn it. You just have to know how to SEEM like the tallest man in the room, not BE him. The answer to that is ‘personality.’
The way to a woman’s heart and admiration is through her laugh. My suggestions to short guys:
- Watch lots and lots of stand up comedy: Learn how comedy is funny, how to deliver it, and how to improvise in social situations.
- Animate yourself: Don’t be afraid to be a little ‘out there.’ Though it may seem counter-intuitive, you will find that women LOVE men who can keep their interest.
- Take a Time Machine: Oddly, anything that was funny in 5th grade, is funny as an adult. I still do all the same little goofy things and women tend to find it entertaining. But don’t go overboard, you still have to act like an adult.
- Entertain, don’t interrogate: Women hate to be asked a million questions. In fact, I don’t even ask a woman’s name before I try getting her to laugh. Eventually, she’ll ask for yours. Then you know she’s at least interested in learning more about you. Let her ask the questions and only answer them about 60% of the time. Women LOVE mystery, and if you can keep a small sense of mystery, you’ll have much more fun talking to this woman.
- Don’t be an ‘Entertainer:’ I know… I just said the opposite above. What this means is don’t be a clown, or a ‘trained monkey.’ Learn how to incorporate being entertaining into your everyday personality.
Now I’m not advocating ‘gaming’ anyone. That, to me, is disingenuous and is not fair to the person you’re gaming. Be 100% honest. Don’t use lines or tricks. Just learn how to be an interesting character and let that be a part of WHO you are. Women are very, very, very intuitive. If you are interesting, trust me, they will see it.
That’s just a few pointers…. Maybe I should start my own blog. lol
June 7th, 2009 at 11:10 am
ABX trust me, If you have no confadence in your self women can see that. ABX do me a favor, believe and know your all that, keep your head high, and don’t let anyone break your confidence. Feel good no matter what, and this way of thinking will show, confidence is attractive in a man. ABX anything else is just poison to the brain, feel good about your self be confadent and It wiil show, trust me see all these midget actors with women falling on them like mini me. I like that guys attitude and It shines through him, people/women see that, feal me ABX. You have to change your way of thinking, if your confident and have a good attitude about your self and life people/women will look at you and say hey I like that guys angle no matter how tall you are. To get a woman speak to her confident, direct, don’t bit your tonge at all, be yourself, know your all that, work with the hand you was delt by god/life and you will see a change. Ive talked to women that didn’t really like shot guys period,but they likied me cause of my attitude, my angle. I dont take bullshit and know what Im worth, im also a good man ,this is my angle, and I feel good about myself hands down, and it shows. People/women can see that in me, I have and almost every on has felt like you ABX ,but you know what every one has a down fall. You have to change your way of thinking, and know that there arent many humans occupying the univers, we could easily be extint.So you should know that your here for a reason ,and your one of the few special chosen ones to be alive on this earth, that real, and thats the truth, act like it. Change your thinking know your special know any womans lucky to have you and be I say agian be positve with your head up willing to help and talk directly to these women, with out bitting your tounge, with confidence, and youll see a change at how women see you, A woman wants a confidend man 1st and foremost believe that, everything else will fall into place, ABX it will be ok trust .
June 7th, 2009 at 11:18 am
ABX I get hundreds/thousands of womens number with what I told you. My last apt, when I moved I threw about 2000 to 3000 womens numbers away cuase I just never called. them women are pretty easy to get, use what I showed you and you’ll see what Im talking about, tell me how it goes for you OK. peace brotha godbless.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I think it might be a “status” thing between men themselves – I’ve witnessed taller guys being treated with respect from the off, be it on the sports field, induction days at university, or the pecking orders in the workplace (esp. amongst younger men making their way up). As a once 5ft8 (130lbs) man that looked painfully young in his 20s I’ve witnessed how cruel it can be when people chalk you off for not being big or having the “heft”. On the other side of the coin – that’s these men that are short, I’ve witnessed them being treated like dirt without the perpetrator(s) knowing them personally; bullied, singled-out, ignored, mocked…. you name it, especially if they aren’t “built”. I think it’s the somewhat arrogant notion that it’s “survival of the strongest” and they’re just ‘playing natures part’, that they’re playing God and it makes them feel good to have a victim. People just assume short is weak and tall is strong. The other prejudice is that if your a short guy that’s friendly and nice, people assume that your gay or sneaky, or “sucking up”, the same gay assumptions spread if your quiet and timid (though that’s also assumed either weak, scared or retarded), you act arrogant and assertive as the short man and you’ve got a chip on your shoulder over your lack of height i.e. Small Mans Syndrome, yet the tall silent guy is the “strong silent type” or mysterious. A short man who takes care of his body and builds muscle is suddenly “trying to compensate for lack of…”. These are just a few examples of the negative assumptions the short man is faced with.
So then, subconsciously, people are generally a lot friendlier, less assuming of badness and more welcoming towards tall men in general, this must reap rewards for them to attain higher social status more easily. Women strive for high status males so their kids pass on the trait, obviously it’s advantageous to choose a taller man.
The other thing is does an average height exist?!! This really gets to me as a 5ft9.25 man (I was 5ft8 until 23,24) who’s been called short numerous times (even by women that are 5ft4′ish!!). I seem to be on the chalk line when really I shouldn’t feel that way, yet it’s an example of modern times. Some people are so narrow-minded that the gulf between tall and short has been cut down to one figure, which is usually 5ft10; anything above is tall, anything below: small. From the statistics regular height for men ranges from 5ft8 – 5ft11, yet there’s plenty of folk that say 5ft9 is small or a poor height, or in many single females cases they have an auto cut-off of 5ft10 when it comes to dating personals.
My take is, that, by default, tallness means greater social status for men and it’s pretty hard-wired into both genders and It’s not going to change anytime soon. You have to be a lot smarter, intense and interesting as the short or average-height man, otherwise the average-brained…even dullard tall guy will get the nod a head of you without a shadow of a doubt.
June 11th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I think that it’s time for short people and in particular short men to realize that what people do to them is just prejudice and discrimination pure and simple. There is no group that would tolerate a debasing song written about them. Can you imagine a song called that debases racial or ethnic groups in the same way that Randy Newman’s song “Short People” degrades the short? It doesn’t even have to be based on race. It could be any group under the sun, racial, ethnic, religious, creed, color, sex, sexual orientation — anything. Questioning someone’s competency or intelligence based on any of the above characteristics is viewed as discrimination and there are laws preventing discrimination against all of the above groups with the sole exception of the short-of-stature. I mean can you imagine questioning someone’s competency in the workplace because of their race — and saying it outloud?! Instant termination from job. When the same behavior is directed at a short person – and in particular short men — it’s viewed as a big joke. One study found that the discrimination in the workplace for short people is greater than racial or sexual discrimination. In Ralph Keye’s book ‘The Height of Your Life’, Keyes reported that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Training Manual actively and provacatively PROFILED SHORT MEN AS ALWAYS CAUSING THE TROUBLE. The same training manual even COMPARED SHORT MEN TO HITLER AND STALIN. There is no doubt that no group in the world would tolerate such a thing. I think that short people and especially short men should start taking the example of every other group on earth who’s been a victim class and attempt to fight the problem collectively. I found a great website for this at http://www.supportfortheshort.org.
Short men should stop looking at this as an individual problem that they can never solve. What short men endure is not something that they should endure. Think about it; these people who perpetrate the discrimination don’t have to endure anything. It’s really like anything else I believe. Those who have no power get no justice. Short people will not get justice until they achieve a little power, and they will not get any power until/if they begin to view their problem collectively instead of individually.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Pete you gotta be kidding me
June 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
and ….. in the end…. short people will rule the world…. until the revolt of the roaches….
lamesabassman…… then… guess who rules….
June 14th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
When the rats meet a little intelligence they all run and hide. Eh?
June 15th, 2009 at 12:12 am
“same as it ever was…”
lamesabassman…… ” and all remains the same….. “
June 15th, 2009 at 2:04 am
what intelligence Pete?
June 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Certainly not yours. JOH EEEEE
June 16th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Pete I gave real advice, and I only comment to real shit! Your whole battle of the short people to achieve respect and power is utterly rediculous. Read what I said you can use that in every day life, and hey Im not the one that claimed to be so ”Eh?” Intelligent. What I said has not only worked for me but many others, what you typed in sounds utterly rediculous, Pete Mr “Eh?” inteligent .If you where so “Eh?” Intelligent, you would know these men on here arent talking about getting raises or respect or power in the work place, their talking about getting women to be attracted to them gianning thier respect and being with them, getting the women to like and be attracted to them, who ever they may be. What ”Eh?’ Intelligent advice are you imposing Pete. Rally together make it a law to respect short people and give them power, and oh yeah! The law says “women have to like and be attracted us too” man Pete “Shut the fuck up” You don’t even know what flavor the coolaid is and you dipp’n in it. No law or rally in the world is gonna make women like short men, more especially a short mens rally for power if anything this will turn women off/make them laugh. Pete please shut the fuck up about intelligence unless you know what the fuck your talking about. Pete I study Psychology, and Obviuosly have gotten way more women than you with your short mens rally for power to the top, you sound like a damm moron, the things you said will never get a woman. Come again!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Joey wrote:
“Your whole battle of the short people to achieve respect and power is utterly rediculous.”
“these men on here arent talking about getting raises or respect or power in the work place, their talking about getting women to be attracted to them gianning thier respect and being with them, getting the women to like and be attracted to them”
Hey Joey-
Have you ever wondered why women have so little respect for short men in the first place? Could it be that they are being conditioned by society to believe short men are inferior?
Short men are almost always portrayed by the media as losers. Short men are much less able to achieve respected positions of wealth or leadership because of the discrimination they face. Female celebrities like Sophie Dahl, Carla Bruni and Nicole Kidman are fiercely criticized for dating short men. How could all this NOT affect women’s perception of short men?
The real solution isn’t to accept being discriminated against by society, while “tricking” a few women into liking us, but to attack the underlying premise that short men are inferior- whether it is in the workplace, the media, the political arena, or the dating world.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hey matt your attitude is inferior ,I know dozens of short men with very high status. Sounds to me like your feeling sorry for yourself Matt. As long as short men like you think inferiorm, you’ll always be inferior. I know Im not inferior, and Matt there’s no trick about conficence in a man and feeling good you cant trick or fake that, Matt and oh if a short mans confiden its a trick to get women. Matt you sound like a dam fool, what the fuck are you talking about, so if a tall mans confidend in himself, then I guess he’s not considered to be tricking women, only confident short guys. What the fuck are you talking about Stalion, ether you have confidence or you dont no trick about it fucking jackass Matt. I know plenty of short men who dont feel sorry for themselves and moved up in the world to high positions Matt, even little people. You must have absolutly no Idea of how to even deal with people let alone get a woman in the real world it seem. It all starts from the inside out not the outside in, you should feel good about yourself no matter what, workplace or media or political arena is saying or doing. I know I feel good about my self with a very high confidence no trick about it MATT .I may be short butt every one likes me no trick to that, and for your information the women wanted me there was no trick about that if you know anything about psychology Matty boy.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Well said Matt. Even those women who do not have a negative perceptions of short men, tend to bow down to peer pressure and not date short men, unfortionately acting just like teenagers cow towing to peer pressure. But the main problem for short males is discrimination in the work place. People have been getting away with it for years.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
To joeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy,
It’s always the people who are the idiots who name-call. You didn’t respond to one thing I wrote. You twisted what I wrote to suit your own purpose. I rather not engage in a personal attack but just viewing your spelling tells me you have a 4th grade reading level – if that. You claim to study psychology buy you can’t even spell and your grammar is abominable. Here are a few examples – ” rediculous”, “inteligent”, “arent”, “gianning thier respect”, “more especially”.
Where did I write that there should be a law for “people to respect short people and give them power”? I believe that short people should have the same rights that other groups do. If that were to occur through legislation then the negative attitudes of women might change, even though there probably will never be a law ‘requiring’ women to date men their height or shorter.
Joeyyyyyyyyyyyy further states:
“No law or rally in the world is gonna make women like short men, more especially a short mens rally for power if anything this will turn women off/make them laugh.”
Many women are already turned-off to short men. Many already laugh at short men. We’re already treated as a joke by some. We have nothing to lose. Some of the posts on this board prove that. I think every short man knows that at one level or another. The self-condeming attitude of some of the short men on this group and others contributes to this and seeming “rugged individualists” like yourself make it worse. I hate to say it, but it’s short men like you (if you are actually short) that keep the rest of us in our place with your attitude. You seem to approach short men’s issues with women from an individualistic stance. As short people are viewed as other groups are viewed and they gain rights the attitudes of others will change. Short men and short people will no longer be targets of the hostility of others. You claim to be short but you get upset when another short man wants rights for short people. You’re the equivalent of a Black “Uncle Tom”. You betray other short people with your attitude. Furthermore, go take an English course.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Joeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy writes:
“Hey matt your attitude is inferior ,I know dozens of short men with very high status. Sounds to me like your feeling sorry for yourself Matt. As long as short men like you think inferiorm, you’ll always be inferior. I know Im not inferior, and Matt there’s no trick about conficence in a man and feeling good you cant trick or fake that, Matt and oh if a short mans confiden its a trick to get women. Matt you sound like a dam fool, what the fuck are you talking about, so if a tall mans confidend in himself, then I guess he’s not considered to be tricking women, only confident short guys. What the fuck are you talking about Stalion, ether you have confidence or you dont no trick about it fucking jackass Matt. I know plenty of short men who dont feel sorry for themselves and moved up in the world to high positions Matt, even little people. You must have absolutly no Idea of how to even deal with people let alone get a woman in the real world it seem. It all starts from the inside out not the outside in, you should feel good about yourself no matter what, workplace or media or political arena is saying or doing. I know I feel good about my self with a very high confidence no trick about it MATT .I may be short butt every one likes me no trick to that, and for your information the women wanted me there was no trick about that if you know anything about psychology Matty boy.”
Yeah. I can see the kind of ‘women’ you might attract. I’ll bet they just love inteligent psychologists like you. Don’t they?
June 17th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
oh god, i just saw this the origanl posters’ face
MY god
lol — remove the discriminatory post and we shall call it quits.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Troll…thy name is takemeon
oh wait….is there such a thing as a short troll?
June 18th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Oh my! :) Good call, dkzone. Troll indeed.
I read every comment on my blog. At present, the site has 12,000+ comments and new ones pour in each day. So, sometimes, I’m a little late on catching up. Having read the past 20 or so on this 1-year old post, I realize I probably should have closed the thread earlier.
As a reminder, the only comment policy around here is “be kind.” Be kind to me and be kind to your fellow comment-leavers. Easy enough, right? If you can’t do that, you can’t comment.
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